A popular Prince?

Not much time to write again today.  A poorly child kept me away from the office again yesterday, and given the complexity of this box I’m now running behind schedule.  here are the documents I’ve been working on recently:

52.04 Leter of Acknowledgement from Lord Penrhyn to Lloyd Carter 19 November 1896
52.05 Misc bundle of correspondence, articles, accounts.  Also contains documents regarding the Dr William Lewis Charity.  1887-1899  Bundle contains:a)      17 August 1887 Letter requesting assistance from Lord Penrhyn in securing medical care at the Eye and Ear Infirmary, Liverpool for an injured quarryman.

b)      4 November 1893 Translation of a letter published in ‘Y Faner’ regarding comments Lord Penrhyn made about Ellis o’r Nant.  Letter published also claims that neither Lord Penrhyn or his father have done anything to benefit the area (states that they have not given any money towards establishing British Schools as an example). Translation is accompanied by a letter from the ‘Property Defence Association stating that the published letter is libelous and offering to re-verify the translation should Lord Penrhyn wish to take the matter further.

c)      1894. Envelope full of translations of articles from various Welsh language publications, mainly concerned with the Prince of Wales’ visit, also contains articles about emigration to America and dissatisfaction at Lord Rosebury as leader of the Liberals.  One article suggests that the Prince of Wales was given a lukewarm reception due to his being in the company of Lord Penrhyn (and the Duke of Westminster), another is quite derogatory about the prince, ending with “Here I have wondered after this worthless creature not remembering that it is poor work to hunt a hare that is not worth skinning.”

d)     29 November 1895 – List of investments, both in Lord Penrhyn’s name and Quarry  Investments and their market value.  Shows that Lord Penrhyn invested in Rio Tinto, British South Africa and numerous Railways.

e)      1896-1899 Bundle of accounts, reports and newspaper articles relating to the Dr William lewis Charity.

f)       24 November 1896 Copy of clause in partnership deed between Messers Carter Vincent Douglas Jones and Mostyn Roberts, in relation to Penrhyn/Vaynol estates.

g)      December 1896 – Envelooe containing translations of articles from Y Celt (4 Dec 1896) that claims prominent figures will intervene on behalf of the quarryment and that 1,400 of the 2,700 men throw out have found work elsewhere; and correction message published in Baner and Amserau Cymru stating that a letter published under the pseydonum ‘Bethesdaite’ was not written by the man comonly known by that name, Griffith Roberts, bookseller, bethesda.”

h) 1899 Analysis of the water at High Hockley Farm, Kent and accompanying letter from Archibald McGarel Hogg (Lord Penrhyn’s nephew)

i) 16 December 1899 Copy of a translation of an article from ‘Yr Herald Gymraeg’ regarding Lord Penrhyn and the South Africa Question.  Article states that “It is useless to argue with so thick-headed a man as Lord Penrhyn”.  Written on the envelope is george Sholto’s hand “abuse of myself (and Hugh Price Hughes) re. war in S. Africa”. Also contains ACCOMPANYING LETTER FROM Charles A. Jones of the property Defence Association.


52.06 Alexander Young’s report on the quarry accounts and how to make tax savings.  17 August 1886  Young suggests how to make considerable savings on income tax payments compared to Wyatt’s accounts in a 35 page document. 
52.07 Bundle of notes in the hand of George Sholto Douglas Pennant regarding quarry – complaints?   Also accounts for Coal Yards and Stowage in Port Penrhyn 1875. Large amount of correspondence regarding Jamaican estates c.1830-1835 removed.  c. 1880’s 
52.08 Bundle of various accounts, correspondence and miscellany relating to the estate, quarry and Port Penrhyn.  Also includes Abstract of the Will of George Hay Dawkins Pennant and a report on his personal property (investments).  1839-1877  Bundle includes:a)      1839 Abstract of the Will of George Hawy Dawkins – Pennant with Codicil.

b)      1840 Estimated statement of the personal property of G. H. Dawkins Pennant (details investments/shares etc).

c)      1849 Reports on the Estates mortgaged to the Trustees of G.H.Dawkins-Pennant pluss accompanying letters.

d)     1850 Copy of a queery to counsel regarding the mortgage debt of the Ellesmere Canal Company.

e)      1865 Last page of letter to Yr Herald Gymraeg showing support for Lord Penrhyn.  $ other pages can be found in document 52.03n

f)       1867 Printed Information for Special Constables.

g)      1870 Translation of list of points regarding the quarry/quarrymen entitled ‘The Resolution’

h)      1872 Accounts for Coal Yards, Stowage and Discounts allowed at Port Penrhyn

i)         1877 List of balances due from merchants.

j)         1877 List of Poor Law Unions ordered by the House of Commons and accompanying notes (in the hand of George Sholto Douglas-Pennant).

k)      1885 – Copies (in George Sholto Douglas Pennants hand?) of correspondence with Arthur Wyatt dating back to 1872



5 responses to “A popular Prince?

  1. “states that they have not given any money towards establishing British Schools as an example”

    – do you know what a ‘British School’ was? I noticed the other day that the old primary school building in Garth Road, Bangor has a plaque stating that it was a British School for 500 children, but wondered what that actually was.

  2. Right then, I’m having to cast my mind back to my secondary school history lessons here (with the aid of a bit of Google). This is how I understand it:

    Before education came under the management of the state, there were two main types of schools established in this region – British Schools and National Schools.

    British school were based on the teachings of the Quaker Joseph Lancaster, and were focused on teaching the children of the poor. To save on teacher saleries, older, able children taught younger children. This type of school was popular with non-conformists, receiving funding from the wealthy in their ranks, and seen very much as the people’s school by welsh speaking, working class, non-conformist communities.

    National Schools eveloved slightly later and used a similar system to the British Schools, but the teaching was based on Church of Endgland liturgy and catchetisms. Because of the connection with the Church, they were viewed as English institutions funded by English landlords (the Lords Penrhyn did fund/give land towards several National Schools).

    Interesting really, that in something as elementary and important as educating the children of the poor the divisions between Welsh/English, Methodist/CofE, Upper Clas/wroking class were reinforced.

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